The laws Donbass can be cancelled due to violations of the truce by the Russian army. Interview with Chairman of the Verkhovna Rada Oleksandr Turchynov

 - Explain how to determine the line buffer zone in the Donbass - through negotiations with representatives of the Russian troops, the decision of the ATC, the Verkhovna Rada?

According to the law of the President in his first edition, this line should be determined by the Verkhovna Rada. On the same day it was introduced a bill to replace, where it has been suggested that the line was determined by the leadership of the anti-terrorist operation. But the deputies did not have time to get my hands on the second bill was voted to his first option.

In the end, the law according to which the line will be determined by a resolution of Parliament, and the draft decision will be made by the President taking into account the proposals of the management of the ATC.

- Mariupol, Donetsk airport, Happiness and Debaltsevo will remain for Ukraine?

- Of course. I believe that a bargaining card can not be. The territory which we control - it cannot be transferred to the Russian military under any circumstances. There are the citizens of Ukraine and their protection is our direct responsibility.

Moreover, I believe that the whole territory, which today resides temporarily under the control of terrorists and Russian occupants would need to be completely cleared from them. We should talk about the extension of this zone, and its reset. That is our challenge.

- How realistic is that?

The time, when not conducted a full-scale war, we should be used to strengthen our positions. To strengthen the Armed forces, National guard, our spermatology police to recover losses in weapons and technology. The only way we will not allow to us dictating what will be Spezzano. If we talk about peace format, our position must be clear and unequivocal: throughout the Donbass must act Ukrainian laws! Those who try to create on the territory of our country criminal enclave should be arrested, and if resistance is destroyed. There is no alternative.

Why fighting in Donetsk airport, in Debaltsevo and other places continue, despite the truce? Russia wants more than is already occupied?

Yes, they want to expand the occupied zone to the configuration, they will not only be fixed, but will also provide a springboard for further attacks. Attacking or conducting attacks in different areas, they have been probing our defenses, looking for the weak links, to change the balance of power.

I believe that the continued fighting on the Russian side can wipe out all existing agreements. If the fire from the Russian-terrorist groups will not be terminated in the coming days, the laws will lose all meaning.

I believe that the continued fighting on the Russian side can wipe out all existing agreements. If the fire from the Russian-terrorist groups will not be terminated in the coming days, the laws will lose all meaning.

I remind you that, for example, the Amnesty was intended for those who have on their hands the blood, and who voluntarily lay down their arms, and free the captured buildings and institutions. But I don't know a single fact, that someone lay down their arms. Don't know the facts that were released at the administrative building. The question arises: to whom Amnesty?

The conditions stated in the peace initiatives of the President, not executed. If in the next few days the situation will not change and military action on the part of the aggressor will not stop - this will mean that Russia broke all the agreements reached and announced initiatives. In case of failure of the peace plan, adopted by the presidential laws should be abolished.

- Can we say that this is one explanation for the fact that the laws are still not signed by the President and remain in Parliament?

- I am in no hurry to sign these laws to exclude any speculation associated with their adoption. Now elections are held and some political forces in pursuit of cheap sensationalism and ratings already made provocative statements that on the day of the vote on these laws have been some manipulation of the voting system. This, of course, nonsense. But to avoid any provocation on this topic, I asked the security service and the Prosecutor General's office and they conducted a review of the parliamentary voting system, confirming the absence of any violations.

In addition, in order to avoid speculation regarding procedural violations, I instructed relevant Committee to examine the whole procedure of Parliament in the closed mode.

"You know the President's position on these laws, he also agree that you need to wait?

I see that the President is trying to do everything to realize their peace initiatives. These laws are the result of complex and controversial negotiations. But the President is doing everything possible to find peace format problem solution. However, I think he understands that Ukrainians will never accept the world, in exchange for the defeat and retreat.

- Minsk agreement. Someone thinks their victory, the other is a tactical necessity, others by the defeat of Ukraine. What is your assessment? And what did you tell the President about this?

We spoke with the President on this subject. He explained that this format is a chance for a peaceful solution to the problem.

I believe neither Putin, nor Russia. I am convinced that they will try to destroy independent Ukraine, who has chosen the European way of development, and for this looking for a convenient moment, when we get ready to repel aggression. So they did, taking the Crimea.

Therefore, we must be ready at any time to a full-scale Russian aggression. If you want peace, prepare for war. Another recipe no one has yet invented. The better prepared, the more chances for the liberation of the Russian-occupied territories.

Now we have received the inactive phase of the war. This time, this respite, we should be used to strengthen the defense of the country, restore and build up our military capabilities.

I don't think the events in Ilovaisk victory. In our society are not idiots, who are ready to receive any nonsense
- Ilovaysk. If you believe the functionaries of the Ministry of defense, it is hardly a victory that helped to stop the throw of the Russian troops. In your opinion, why did not you manage to avoid such severe losses?

- Firstly, I don't think it's a victory. I do not think that we in society are idiots who are willing to accept any nonsense. No need to be a military strategist to understand the obvious. The professionalism of the military leadership is to prevent the environment and boilers. This, unfortunately, is not the first boiler, in which were our strength. But any boiler is a consequence of the same reasons: panic retreat on strategic direction, lack of coordination, lack of timely decisions.

It was the same under the Transfer. Part kept the defense military units headed by its leadership ran that entailed environment group heroically fought in the Transfer. The retreat was chaotic and not organized. Ran and the military chiefs, who were required to prevent the environment and to organize the defense.

I remember a meeting at the highest level. I said that if we do not hold the defense in the area of Saur's Grave and Amvrosievka, then very soon you will get surrounded by troops under the Transfer. But, unfortunately, the conclusions were not made.

I am convinced that we should not talk about "victories" - it's not fair to the lost, missing and captured. You need to draw conclusions and to punish the guilty. If the conclusions will not be - potentially we will be doomed to a new "transfer".
- At what level should be responsible?

Along the vertical, at all levels. Starting from the command of sector D, to the Supreme military leadership.

As far as I know, your son is.

A Pro - Russian Newspapers on this subject he wrote a lot of nonsense. Even wrote that the Commissar, who sent a summons to the son, demoted and sent to the zone ATO (laughs).

My son this year in the summer she graduated from high school and received a master's degree, the next day wrote a letter and went to serve in the National guard.

It was his decision?

- Yes. But I don't think it is to do PR. It is normal that young people go to serve. I try not to comment on this thread where he is and that he did not serve, so it was not excitement, not to create problems for him and his colleagues.

- Speaking of volunteers. Recently misunderstanding between the defense Ministry and volunteer battalions of the interior Ministry went public plane. How to resolve this conflict in the interests of national defense, rather than specific departments and politicians?

- It is not normal if there is such a conflict. All who serve in the Armed forces, machardie or battalions MIA perform civic and Patriotic duty to his country. I remember how we started to resist the aggressor, when we actually did not have an efficient army. When acting as commander-in-chief, I turned to the Ukrainian people calling to go volunteer at the front. And that's toga, announcing mobilization, we began to restore the army, created the national guard under, began to form a volunteer battalions. There was no alternative. The patriots, who went spermatology the Ministry of internal Affairs, the battalions of machardie and territorial defense,began in "the breach" and took the first blow. Have allowed the country to restore and equip the army to adequately resist the aggressor.

People who sacrificed himself - how can you blame them? This madness. They deserve only the gratitude and respect of all Ukrainian people. Point! Other alternatives that can not be.

I recently was in Kharkov. It is obvious that Putin Agency intends to destabilize the situation in the city, and local authorities, to put it mildly, are not configured Pro-Ukrainian deputies of the regional Council failed to vote for the preparation of the field for defense. You will meet the Governor of Balute, who wrote to you with the request to dissolve the Council and to appoint election?

I with pleasure will meet all the patriots of the Kharkiv region, but the head of the Verkhovna Rada cannot dissolve regional Council - this can be done only by decision of a majority of the deputies of the Parliament. Should be made a relevant decision, and, if there are enough votes, the decision will be made. Personally I'm going to vote for this solution.

- Probably, Balota turned to you, because of the lustration law knows that you're able to get the deputies to take any necessary decisions.

On account of any decisions - this is an exaggeration. To make the Parliament a few weeks before the election - a task complicated. But in the situation with the local elections there is another important point. In next year's local elections will be everywhere - not only in Kharkiv region, but across the country. Therefore, this regional Council in any case to be not last long. We really need to clear the local authorities from separatists and Pro-Russian elements. But it should primarily be addressed in the elections of our citizens, including, and Kharkiv.

The threat of provocations Kremlin agents in some regions remains, but to catch the Ukraine by surprise it won't come out
- In addition to Kharkov, where today in Ukraine there is a real threat of separatism? And what to do with it?

- You probably remember the events as they occurred at the beginning of the year. This was probably the most difficult period in the history of our country, when in conditions of economic collapse, lack of Central and regional authorities, was the capture of the Crimea, and, at the same time, the Russian Agency started an active destabilization of the situation in all regions of South-Eastern zone. Then we managed to reverse the situation in Dnipropetrovsk, Zaporizhia, Mykolaiv, Kherson oblasts. Despite the very difficult situation in Odessa, we were able to suppress the speech of separatists and guests from Russia, and in Kharkiv separatists and criminals who seized the regional administration, were thrown out of the building and detained. The threat of provocations Kremlin agents in these regions remains, but to catch the Ukraine by surprise will not be released.

- Why, in your opinion, for a country at war for almost two months there is no Secretary of the Council?

- It is not a question for me. This question is better answered in the presidential Administration.

- How do you see yourself after the elections on 26 October? Speaker, the NSDC Secretary, the Minister of defence.

- I see myself as a citizen of Ukraine. Where my country will need my strength is there and will work. I passed a wide range of assignments and everywhere tried to honestly perform their duties. You need to perform tasks set in front of you country, but not bargain over positions. Too complicated the situation in Ukraine, to talk about their desires and preferences.

- The issue of lustration. You seven times put it to a vote and pushed. Will the lustration to work?

- We have no alternative. If we want to change the country, we must go this way - through a purifying power. If we do not do any of our initiatives will not bring the results the country will be doomed. Reform, renewal, development of... - all this will remain at the level of slogans and unfulfilled promises, if we do not carry out the cleansing and renewal of the authorities at all levels.

Now, after so many trials of our people, after blood on the Maidan and war, we have no right to once again fail its historical chance. So the theme of purification is extremely challenging. We can write many beautiful programs, but the exciting programme will be no one to implement it even to the regions will not come, only on TV about it and hear.

Ukraine needs like the air update and new people who will be able to realize the most difficult tasks facing the country. We have all chances to become a European state to become a member of the European Union. We all deserve a decent life. Because we must pass the path of purification. The law is a huge number of powerful enemies. First and foremost, those who will be forced to leave their budget feeders and to stay in their rooms. But the will of millions of people stronger than them intrigues and provocations.

The act of cleansing power, I signed and handed over to the presidential Administration. I appealed to the President asking him not to pull his signing, because every day of delay of the law's entry into force, working against the interests of our country.

That meets the President?

You know, I really hope that the law will they be signed in the near future. I really hope.

The law calls for the actual upgrade of power. Perhaps some parts require additional clarification. But it's a start. We should begin this way. The one who dirty their hands with corruption, anti-people decisions and blood should leave.

Many officials have experienced dozens of governments. But not because they work professionally. But because they are ready to execute any order, and join any party, if only to remain in power. The execution of illegal orders is no excuse. Remember Nuremberg. Then the Nazis were also said to have executed the order. But it did not save them, went and sat on the dock.

As far as I know, now prepared another package of anticorruption laws. Are you ready to bear the tires under the Parliament to force members to vote?

"Well, I'm under Radu tires don't wear. Moreover, I believe that this is not the most convincing and valid argument. I initiated a meeting solely for the purpose of making a package of anticorruption laws. My calculation is that MPs who go to the polls today, talking about his uncompromising fight against corruption, will not be able to explain to their voters megalomania. I hope that the desire to get re-elected many will overpower the fear that the law will work against them.

The formation of the government after independence square - the most difficult days in my life. In addition to the duties of the speaker, the President and Supreme commander-in-chief, I was given guidance by the government. Such a concentration of power, no dictator in Africa had no
Prime Minister Yatsenyuk has been saved from collapse of the state finances, agreed with the IMF. Managed not to bend Gazprom on gas negotiations. But corruption schemes, deregulation of business a complete failure. Why do you think these areas the government Yatsenyuk was not able to start the reform? What is the reason?

You should have a look at the big picture. Probably no other period in our country when the government was becoming more tests than it is now.

I remember the time when we formed the government after the Maidan. The most difficult days in my life. Then in addition to the duties of the head of the Parliament, the President and the Supreme commander was laid on me by the leadership of the government until the formation of his new composition. Such concentration of power, probably no dictator in Africa had not (laughs).

But joking on this topic, when there is real power when the state machine. And all this was not. It was a huge responsibility and a complete lack of mechanism for its implementation. Ruined finances, destroyed Executive vertical, people with sticks chasing policemen who are afraid in the form to appear on the streets. The country is not fully protected deformed and destroyed the control system.

In these circumstances, we thought that the new government will last no longer than one to two months. The country was under the threat of default. It was clear that should be taken unpopular decisions. But what will be the reaction of people who cannot keep? Because everyone wanted instant and painless improvements. And at the same time, we are faced with aggression and lack of resources for defense.

Arseniy Yatsenyuk has managed to keep the situation, to restore the management of the country and avoid the worst scenario. At the same time, we cannot say that everything is wonderful and all failed. Dominated and dominant theme is a huge drain on resources to protect the state against the aggressor. But step by step the government is going to launch reforms needed in the country.

Much has been done. For example, almost twice as fast the state apparatus. Before this no one could decide. In addition, initiated a large-scale reform of the tax system: the planned reduction in the number of taxes from 22 to 9. Twice reduced the number of regulatory bodies and their numbers.

The process goes. But the country is living in difficult conditions. In addition, a number of initiatives cannot be taken without legislative support in Parliament, which after the collapse of the majority no.

I believe that all the proposals made by the government Yatsenyuk, will allow us to reform the country and to achieve in the coming years membership in the European Union.

In addition, the anti-corruption package, which we planned to take was also developed by the Cabinet of Ministers. We will introduce the most severe anti-corruption mechanism for officials. Will not only control over income and expenditure, officials and members of their families. Get 5 thousand UAH, and live to 100 thousand you have removed and conducting an investigation. This demotivation for embezzlers. And wanting to go to work in power to steal, will become much less.

Here and offer to combat offshore schemes misappropriation of property. They say all these schemes is an investment. Well, what is investment? It is the legalization of illegally obtained funds. One of the laws of the government introduces a rule that any estate registration, if any stock transactions must be provided to the end beneficiary. Even if there's ten offshore layers - you need to show the end of vygodopoluchatel in the form of specific individuals. And if shows are not real and the nominal owner is hiding information and it should criminal penalties.

- Your political rivals ahead of the elections will not allow the Parliament to adopt something similar.

We are trying. Surrender will not. Let this be a criterion for voters - who is ready to really fight corruption, and who wants to save it, as its carrier.

- It is known that the popular front had discussed the idea of a single list with a Block Poroshenko. What happened and why failed negotiations?

- I believe that all democratic forces in the next Parliament must unite in order to defeat the aggressor and to ensure the development of Ukraine as a strong European state. Yes, there was discussion, there were negotiations with the President's team a few days prior to an election. But further discussion about the name we have not advanced. It seems to be nonsense? But not for us. I think that if we go into the European Union, you must use the European format, where there are no parties of the name of one person. No party Merkel" or "block of Cameron". In Ukraine, unfortunately, until the format personal parties is maintained.

We are in the EU, where there are no parties of the name of one person. No party Merkel" or "block of Cameron". In Ukraine, alas, still a form of personal parties persists
But we are on the square stood for a different format. We teamed up in the "popular front" - a strong and reliable team. "Popular front" - is the European way. We do not accept individual leadership and konsolidiruyutsya not around the leader, leader or clan, and around their country, around the priorities of Ukraine.

- Andrew Parubiy in an interview said that the occurrence of the Popular front in the parliamentary coalition is due to the fact will continue to do for Yatseniuk as Prime Minister. Are you willing to consider other staffing options or as Prime Minister - a question of principle?

Is important, not the position, and the programme of action. If it is, then the question arises, who is ready to implement such a programme. We do not conduct trades relative to the posts and positions. I'm sure there will be a coalition of democratic forces in Parliament and will be overall program. But another question is, who will this program run.

Each adequate political power going to the polls, suggests that the first issue of its list of potential new Prime Minister of the country. This European practice. Therefore, always number one on the party's list, if you translate the party schematic on human language, is the candidate of that political power as Prime Minister.

I am convinced that our first room - Arseniy Yatsenyuk is the most suitable candidate. He has extensive experience of crisis Manager, and a great desire to ensure that the necessary changes in the country.

- In addition to the Pro-European politicians, today in Parliament is a lot of people voting for the dictatorial laws on January 16, people who continue to perform the role of agents of Russia, despite the war. The majority of Ukrainians clearly displeased that such politicians are thrown into trash cans, beat. Do you see any threats that are involved in the Yanukovych regime is still not punished? Would not this lead to the fact that the term of the next Parliament will be short?

- It is just a question to anyone who will throw the ballot at a polling station. The fact that the lustration, which we discussed, must be carried out not only those who are written in the law, but every citizen in particular. And each of us must take responsibility for their cleansing power. The law on lustration is not registered lustration those who receive the mandate in the elections. Indeed, the restriction of the right to participate in elections is a violation of civil rights, contrary to the Constitution.

If the member has committed an offence before or after the election, he may be deprived of parliamentary immunity, lose the mandate of the Deputy and going to jail. But often the actions of many of those you mentioned, do not fall under the Criminal code (raised hand when voting for the anti-people laws, separating political responsibility with the former regime and so on). In this case, only one solution for this is to luterbach it should on elections for voters. They must decide acceptable to them or not. Properly, that your interests will be represented, for example, a traitor, a turncoat, a political body, under whatever banner it did not go to the elections? The right to decide belongs to the Ukrainian people.

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